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    Matt Nadler

      My Viking 7 quart mixer really struggled with this recipe.  I was unable to mix the entire batch at one time.  I’ve always been able to mix it all with the Classic recipe.  Even after very carefully weighing each and every ingredient, the dough was very thick and heavy, causing the mixer to shut down numerous times.  The loaves came out short and squatty.

      I’ve been baking with the Classic recipe for over a year.  I’m going back to that next time.

      Daphne Tang

        Can you also post steps 1-4 here? Your most recent 3 emails all had the same link.  Step 5

        Katherine Kehrli
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            Katherine Kehrli

              Bulk Ferment – Stretch & Fold –


              Katherine Kehrli


                So many good questions. So if you watched the video before the new formula many things have changed so you want to take the time and review the new Modern formula and watch those videos. Even if you are doing the Classic formula watching the Modern videos will give you some support. There is a completely new version that is a full mix with the Kitchenaid.

                And I’ll be putting that version on the Classic formula later this week. Posting by October 1st. I tried to explain in the email I sent but I don’t think I did a very good job explaining.  Please defer to the new formula – Modern – as a more effective resource, even for the Classic. But also have the confidence to go with your own experience.

                And regarding the Autolyse – 30 minutes minimum, 2 hours maximum.


                Rosario Carroll

                  Just tried the new Modern updated formula, my best batch so far!!  What a great feeling of accomplishment, finally! 🙂

                  I had no problem downloading info from my PC.
                  Thank you Katherine for all you do!!  You are amazing!!!
                  PS: how can I post in Instagram under Community Loaves page?  Maybe it’s a question for my kids!! Best Modern Batch Ever!!🙃

                  Spot Stephenson

                    Re; my comment about the missing Stretch & Fold video in the Modern Formula spreadsheet: I went ahead and did the recommended reading about Bulk Fermentation, and that blog included a helpful stretch&fold video, so that’s a workaround. Here’s the blog link:

                    Patti Catalano

                      I traditionally use the Classic Method but decided to do a batch of classic and a batch of Modern today because I wanted to experience the new format and see the more definitive information on using my Ankarsrum.  I haven’t finished baking yet but was able to download the files on my iPad and was able to connect to the links by pressing my finger on the link a little longer which pulled up the file it would go to, generally YouTube.  I really liked the more detailed information which I put into action on both the Classic and Modern mixing.  One clarification I would need is packaging.  At one point the directions say to let the loaves cool for 24 hours before packaging.  Another point the directions say to let the loaves cool and package the following morning after the bake.  If we’re baking on Saturday and turning in on Sunday, what is best?  Thanks!

                      Patti Catalano, Sammamish

                      Spot Stephenson

                        Video Bug: The link for Stretch & Fold video (Cell A137) takes one instead to another Autolyse video. 🙁

                        PS: I too was unable to open videos on an iPad. On my Windows PC, I first had to click on Editing Mode on the top line to get out of a View Only mode. [I don’t recall exactly what it said, because after I clicked it, that disappeared…] I’m guessing the same may be happening on the iPad, but I don’t see how to toggle out of a View-only mode.

                        Jeanne Conley

                          I was able to get the document, but none of the links work (I have a Mac).  Also, I reviewed the 33 minute video, it talks about adding levain – is that the same thing as preferment?  Another question – I watched the 33 minute video before the new recipe came out.  Is it still accurate?  For example, during the autolyse, the video says to wait 30 minutes to an hour, but the new instructions say maximum benefit is at 2 hours.   (I’m hoping one of the links shows how to do the do the whole recipe with a Kitchen Aid, but if not, the instructions look pretty helpful.)

                          Two other questions:  1.  should we be checking the temperature of the water when we add it?  2. What do we do differently if we’re using active dry yeast instead of instant yeast?

                          I’m looking forward to doing my first practice loaves next week.

                          Thanks so much.




                          Katherine Kehrli

                            @Valerie Stein – you are welcome. We’re elevating our efforts as we pull into the home stretch!


                            Valerie Stein

                              Katherine, this forum thread is accessible now from the website, in the FAQ section. It wasn’t when the email with changes first came out, so thank you for everything you’re doing to connect us all with information in such a timely fashion.  Just finishing up my second ever ANK batch. Couldn’t be more impressed with this machine! It’s amazing.

                              Pamela Kaser

                                I love the new format. All of the videos demonstrating the various steps are informative, easy to hear and the video is pretty good too. I did not have any troubles opening the files from the links in the scaleable version except for two.  The video link for “stretch and fold” opened the “Autolyse” video instead.

                                The links for all of the recommended reading would not open. There are spaces in the hyperlinks which need to be removed. Once those spaces are removed they will open just fine.

                                This is truly a labor of love. Well done!

                                Hazel Judelman


                                  Now we add the oat mixture after slap and folding? That is a big change from the old way.

                                  Do we really  just mix it in and leave it to ferment?


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