I’m still struggling getting mine to come out as nice and billowy as the pictures. I’ve tried changing rise times but went too far and they collapsed and when I stop before that they still only get to be about 3 1/2″ high. I’ve never had rises go way over the top of the pans like the pictures. My loaves seem to be kinda sad. Pretty bad for someone who’s done 100 of these. I can’t seem to figure it out.